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Re: [AMD] Convair 580

Jean-Francois,

Get a Minicraft L-188 or an LS P-3 Orion. If I remember correctly, the
engine is the same Alisson with a similar (if not same) cowl shape, and same
Aeroproducts prop.

Christos
BHM

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Browsing through a book on a rather different subject (Guppys), I discovered
an interesting experimental variant of a Convair 580. It's so special (and I
dare say so ugly) that I thought it would be an interesting subject for
cross-kitting 2 or 3 kits plus some scratchbuilding. Problem is, my
expertise in pre-jet period is limited and I've no idea where to find a CV
580 to begin with. In the Convair range I know of the CV 880 by F-RSIN, and
the C-131 Samaritan by Testors but almost nothing else. If there is
something nearer to a 580 to start with, I'd be glad to know. Since major
surgery is planned anyway, I don't really mind the donor kit be good or not.
If all I can find is a x40 kit, where could I find the Allison turboprops
used in the 580? The engines are the only part I don't feel like building
from scratch.

Any information welcome !
Thanks to all and have a nice Sunday.

Jean-François El Fouly (PAR)


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Re: [AMD] Convair 580



Check Welsh models.I know that make a nice CV 440.
Ron M
 
----- Original Message -----
From: jfelfouly
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:08 PM
Subject: [AMD] Convair 580

 

Browsing through a book on a rather different subject (Guppys), I discovered an interesting experimental variant of a Convair 580. It's so special (and I dare say so ugly) that I thought it would be an interesting subject for cross-kitting 2 or 3 kits plus some scratchbuilding. Problem is, my expertise in pre-jet period is limited and I've no idea where to find a CV 580 to begin with. In the Convair range I know of the CV 880 by F-RSIN, and the C-131 Samaritan by Testors but almost nothing else. If there is something nearer to a 580 to start with, I'd be glad to know. Since major surgery is planned anyway, I don't really mind the donor kit be good or not.
If all I can find is a x40 kit, where could I find the Allison turboprops used in the 580? The engines are the only part I don't feel like building from scratch.

Any information welcome !
Thanks to all and have a nice Sunday.

Jean-François El Fouly (PAR)



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[AMD] Re: Emb 120 Brasilia

--- In airlinermodelling@yahoogroups.com, "jellis562000" <jellis@...> wrote:
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> Anyone seen or heard of this resin 1/72nd scale Brasilia kit?
>
>


Yes, it is a Liberty Quality kit and they are pretty nice. I have the 1/72 Beech 1900D and although it needs a bit of cleanup in a few areas, it will make a very nice kit once built (JBOT has some good schemes for it, like USAir Express 1990's, Continental, Mesa, etc). Definitely NOT for beginners or people who like their kits to just fall together without any fussing.

http://www.libertyquality.com.br/

Here's a forum where someone is building one:

http://www.aviationdream.net/forum2/index.php?s=960ad5894b514f59a307048e75bdd128&showtopic=4574

Here's a 1900D in progress:

http://www.aviationdream.net/forum2/index.php?showtopic=4058


Mike

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[AMD] Convair 580

Browsing through a book on a rather different subject (Guppys), I discovered an interesting experimental variant of a Convair 580. It's so special (and I dare say so ugly) that I thought it would be an interesting subject for cross-kitting 2 or 3 kits plus some scratchbuilding. Problem is, my expertise in pre-jet period is limited and I've no idea where to find a CV 580 to begin with. In the Convair range I know of the CV 880 by F-RSIN, and the C-131 Samaritan by Testors but almost nothing else. If there is something nearer to a 580 to start with, I'd be glad to know. Since major surgery is planned anyway, I don't really mind the donor kit be good or not.
If all I can find is a x40 kit, where could I find the Allison turboprops used in the 580? The engines are the only part I don't feel like building from scratch.

Any information welcome !
Thanks to all and have a nice Sunday.

Jean-François El Fouly (PAR)

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[AMD] Re: Hawk CV-240

Ben:

A shot from the hip, since it has been literally decades since I built that kit, but I believe the entire plane is in 1/125 rather than 1/144; I recall the overall detail being pretty good, that it built easily, and had full landing gear. I didn't use the military decals; painted it like a Frontier Airlines plane similar to what I had seen living in Santa Fe New Mexico. The one negative I recall was that there was no engine detail or even cowls; the nacelles ended in a flat front to which the propellers mounted. If I found and built it now, I'd find a way to add a 3-D cowl around the engine areas. It would be a fun one to do again.

--- In airlinermodelling@yahoogroups.com, "Ben Brown" <bebrown1@...> wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> Did I read somewhere that the fuselage is 1/144 and the wings are some other scale? Or was it the other way around? I've got a Sasquatch 240 kit that I'll one day try to beat into submission, and it would be a lot easier to do if I could replace the fuselage. The wings aren't too bad, but the fuselage will need a lot of help.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Ben
> RDU
>


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Re: [AMD] Airfix 747-200 kit 1/144

dont forget, the one bad point about the airfix 747 is that there are no wing roots/fillets etc. the wings just stot into the fuselage, better trying to get the revell version

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Re: [AMD] Re: Hawk CV-240



Hi Ben,
The Hawk/Testors kit is a 1/126 scale Convair 240. The reason people perpetuate that "mixed scale" nonsense is because at some point the exhausts chutes on the engines were modified to resemble the CV340's. Hence...people assumed it was supposed to be a 340. If you take the model and do the math...it works out to be a pretty accurate -- and consistent -- 1/126 CV240 in both wingspan and fuselage length. Also...another clue is that the kit has 10 pax windows....not the 340's 11 windows.
 
Cmul0256
MCI 
 
In a message dated 7/18/2009 9:54:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, bebrown1@bellsouth.net writes:
 

Hi all,

Did I read somewhere that the fuselage is 1/144 and the wings are some other scale? Or was it the other way around? I've got a Sasquatch 240 kit that I'll one day try to beat into submission, and it would be a lot easier to do if I could replace the fuselage. The wings aren't too bad, but the fuselage will need a lot of help.

Thanks!

Ben
RDU



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[AMD] Airfix 747, Alitalia 747's

Hi Guys,

Charles wrote:
I'm hoping to get the BraZ GE conversion engines since Alitalia used
them on their 747-200s.

The Airfix kit is strictly speaking a -100 as it was developed by the
Airfix design staff after a group of them had the opportunity to
photograph and measure a 1:1 747 at Heathrow. That it was a PW JT9D
powered aircraft means it might have been either a Pan Am or BOAC
aircraft.... All of the G-AWN* series 747's ordered by BOAC were
series 100's with PW JT9D. To emphasize this a little more, all
747-100's built, with the exception of some for Saudia, were JT9D
powered. Alitalia, Lufthansa, Air France, Sabena, KLM, TWA, Pan AM,
Eastern (leased from Pan Am), American, Delta, Continental, National,
Northwest, Aer Lingus, Air Canada, Braniff, Wardair Canada, United,
JAL, Iberia, and probably more all took some of these aircraft. Most
were delivered with three upper deck windows per side, with a first
class lounge configured in the hump. I'm guessing these were gone
within 3 - 4 years, replaced by 60 economy seats (10 rows of 3+3) in
most cases... and the extra 8 windows opened up. The Airfix kit is
ok for any of these aircraft.

The 747-200 (or 747B as it was first designated) was externally
identical to the -100, with a stronger landing gear and other local
strengthening to allow higher Max Gross Take Off Weight. This
version was offered with PW JT9D's as well, but also GE CF6-80's,
Rolls Royce RB.211's and an upgraded PW JT9R (I
think....). Alitalia, Lufthansa and KLM basically replaced their
earlier 747-100 fleets with new GE powered -200's, while airlines
including Air France, Iberia, JAL, Northwest, Air Canada, Wardair
added -200's to their existing fleets, usually using the same PW JT9D
engines for 'fleet commonality' reasons, though some did operate
mixed fleets (eg Wardair) with -100's with PW's and -200's with
GE's. British Airways added a fleet of -200B's with RR RB211's in
the G-BDX* series, and many other airlines added new -200 747's as
their first variant of the type - QANTAS, Singapore, Thai, Cathay,
Air China, China AIrlines, Korean Air, Air India, SAS, Flying Tiger,
Seabord World, World Airways, CP Air, Royal Air Maroc, El Al, South
African, Olympic, Aerolineas Argentinas, Varig, All Nippon, Air New
Zealand, UTA, TAP Portugal, for example. The SAS and Seabord were, I
think, the only -200's delivered with the upgraded PW JT9R... look
for a cowl that looks a lot like the GE CF6. The Airfix kit can be
used to build any -200 as long as you can find replacement engines -
and Braz does offer the RB211 and the GE CF6. The PW JT9R is not
offered, but as said is very similar to a CF6.

The Airfix kit suffers from some glaring problems, though most can be
remedied to some degree. Two worst features in my opinion are the
thick rudder - fairly easily remedied by sanding it as you would a
vacuform fin.... inner face on a sheet of wet and dry
sandpaper. You might need to build it back up a bit along the
trailing edge to restore the correct chord length, Other problem is
the total lack of a wing root fairing.... options are to build it as
is, or spend a lot of time getting intimate with your favourite
putty, sandpaper, and a bottle (or two) of your favourite mind
numbing beverage.

Next on the list of fixes is the engine cowls - moulded as if the
thrust reversers were open... as they were that day at LHR. You can
either drop the flaps and build it in landing roll-out config, or
putty in the trench and sand it smooth. Don't forget... the cowl
will then be too long by an amount equivalent to the width of cowl
just puttied... you might want to try to remove some of that excess
from the rear edge of the cowl.

Good luck!!!


Russell Brown
Airline Hobby Supplies LLC
P.O. Box 2128
Chandler, Arizona
U.S.A. 85244-2128

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[AMD] New York Airways S61's

Hi Guys,

Vince said:
I believe the BV-107's used to land near the AA Terminal at JFK until
1968 or 1969. When they were replaced by the four S-61L's they landed
near the TWA Terminal.

Paul Ritchie and I made a 4 day trip to New York in the summer of
1973, alternating between La Guardia's observation deck and the Pan
Am car park. We shuttled between the two twice via the New York
Airways S61's... I am 99% certain they operated from the PanAm
terminal, not the TWA terminal. Watching them was like watching BEA
Viscounts at Manchester..... just part of the background
noise.... so for fun we started tracking the rotations. As we made
2 round trips.... and there being four of them, we used the info to
make sure we rode all four. Those were the days.... AA 727-100
from Toronto to LGA included a hot breakfast.... and our return Air
Canada DC-9-32 a hot dinner..... in coach.....

Thanks!

Russell Brown
Airline Hobby Supplies LLC
P.O. Box 2128
Chandler, Arizona
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Re: [AMD] Airfix 747-200 kit 1/144



Charles,
Revell took over the Matchbox kits, so maybe that's where you got confused. They just reissued the Mtchbox PB4Y-2, which also can be built as a C-87, which, I think was used by some airlines.
Ron M
 
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 7:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AMD] Airfix 747-200 kit 1/144

 

Hello Ron. Thank you for the comments. I had thought years ago REvell took over Airfix's brand but I guess that wasn't the case. I had no idea of what Airfix went through and still is Airfix today. Its very interesting what you pointed out there about Airfix. The box said it was manufactured in the U.K. Humbrol paints are advertised on the box as well. I've been told its not that great of a kit but as mentioned previously, I'm hoping to get the BraZ GE conversion engines since Alitalia used them on their 747-200s. Thanks for the information Ron. Once I get this 747 done I'll be happy to post it on here.

Charles


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> Charles,
> Like Revell, Airfix has been through several iterations, and several companies in the U.S.

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Re: [AMD] Emb 120 Brasilia



It was made by Sasquatch. I had one, but I sold it without ever opening the box, so, I can't tell you about it's details.
Ron M
 
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Subject: [AMD] Emb 120 Brasilia

 

Hi guys

Anyone seen or heard of this resin 1/72nd scale Brasilia kit?

Seen on Aircraft Resource Center on July 15th - manufacturer seems to be a Mr Odair of Quality of Liberty

John Ellis
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[AMD] Re: Hawk CV-240

Hi all,

Did I read somewhere that the fuselage is 1/144 and the wings are some other scale? Or was it the other way around? I've got a Sasquatch 240 kit that I'll one day try to beat into submission, and it would be a lot easier to do if I could replace the fuselage. The wings aren't too bad, but the fuselage will need a lot of help.

Thanks!

Ben
RDU


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Re: [AMD] AMD build contest




        Hi everybody,

        Great idea. I'm on board!!! Regards from Brazil!!!

         Sergio  



Sérgio Ricardo Marques Gonçalves
Boeing 727 Datacenter

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boeing727@uol.com.br

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[AMD] Emb 120 Brasilia

Hi guys

Anyone seen or heard of this resin 1/72nd scale Brasilia kit?

Seen on Aircraft Resource Center on July 15th - manufacturer seems to be a Mr Odair of Quality of Liberty

John Ellis
EGNX

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[AMD] Re: Italeri ATR-42

Hi Ray,

same to me!...lot of beautiful full detailed decals waiting for this thing!....! we need to make a wishlist for this coming kit!

regds,

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Friday, July 17, 2009

Re: [AMD] Airfix 747-200 kit 1/144

Hello Ron. Thank you for the comments. I had thought years ago REvell took over Airfix's brand but I guess that wasn't the case. I had no idea of what Airfix went through and still is Airfix today. Its very interesting what you pointed out there about Airfix. The box said it was manufactured in the U.K. Humbrol paints are advertised on the box as well. I've been told its not that great of a kit but as mentioned previously, I'm hoping to get the BraZ GE conversion engines since Alitalia used them on their 747-200s. Thanks for the information Ron. Once I get this 747 done I'll be happy to post it on here.

Charles

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> Charles,
> Like Revell, Airfix has been through several iterations, and several companies in the U.S.

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Re: [AMD] Airfix 747-200 kit 1/144

Charles,
Like Revell, Airfix has been through several iterations, and several companies in the U.S. They set up USAirfix to import the models into the U.S..There was also, Craftmaster, and, for awhile, both MPC and Airfix were owned by the General Mills food company. Then, MPC boxed the Airfix kits. But, Airfix was still Airfix in G.B. or is it U.K.? Airfix and Heller were also owned by Humbrol, but, I believe they are separate companies again. Now, Airfix imports their models using the Airfix label. Airfix has always been there, and still produces old and new kits, mostly old ones, though.

Ron M


----- Original Message -----
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Hello Richard! Thanks for your reply. The kit looks well detailed, I would prefer though to get the BraZ CF6-50 engines. The box doesn't say if its an Airfix 747-100 or -200 series. Maybe you can correct me on this. I remember when 'US Airfix' came out their 727s and other models than it was 'Airfix'. I remember that from the 1970's. But on the box it has an Airfix website, I thought Airfix products were no longer around but to my surprise this 747 kit looks as if it was made somewhat recently since again there's a website for Airfix. I admit this is my first build of a jumbo jet in 1/144 scale in about 26 years so its a challenge for sure. I'll check on Russell's airline hobby site for those BraZ CF6 engines. Thanks again for the reply.

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Re: [AMD] Tamiya 1/100 Vertol 107 Pan Am/New York Airways

Thar she blows! She exists. :-)

Much obliged, Vince

Christian/SEA


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> OK I just posted the scan in the photos section. It's called "Pan Am KV-107" (N108PA-1.jpg). Hope you like it. A rare bird indeed.
>
> For those working on this model, please keep me posted on your progress, and I'll do likewise.
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Re: [AMD] Tamiya 1/100 Vertol 107 Pan Am/New York Airways

OK I just posted the scan in the photos section. It's called "Pan Am KV-107" (N108PA-1.jpg). Hope you like it. A rare bird indeed.

For those working on this model, please keep me posted on your progress, and I'll do likewise.

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[AMD] Re:AMD build contest

Christos -
I'm with you all the way. I love looking at other peoples' work, even if it is much better than mine (it usually is). In fact, we compliment the Wings of Peace group nicely: they cover the civil aviation scene, including airliners, up to 1940, and we carry on with the post WWII period. All airliners, without exception, fascinate me, and I model all of them, whatever period. To get this variety, I only ever make one model of any one type, and I try to put each in the livery of a different airline.

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[AMD] Re:Tamiya 1/100 Vertol 107 Pan Am/New York Airways

I have a Tamiya Vertol 107 in PAA livery, which was made by my daughter at the age of 10 (she is now 46). I keep it for sentimental reasons. It is in PAA colours with the reg'n
N 108PA, so perhaps both aircraft carried the PAA scheme
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Re: [AMD] Model Expo deal

Not only does Model Expo have the 1/144 TWA DC-3 and Southern Air DC-8-73
combo for $14.99, if you look at the close-outs (and apply checkout code
EMA292) they have the Minicraft 1/144 Berlin Airlift set for $10.00 which
contains C-47, C-97 and C-54 kits.

Eric Olson
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On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:15 PM, the Legend of LAX <laxet@ca.rr.com> wrote:

> I got this in their latest e-mail:
>
> http://www.modelexpo-online.com/product.asp?ITEMNO=MC1454CB
>
> MINICRAFT PLASTIC AIRPLANE KIT COMBO
> SCALE 1:144
> Highly detailed plastic kits of historic airplanes!
>
> MC1454CB – Contains Minicraft Lindberg (MC14548) + CIA Southern Air
> Transport (MC14544)
>
> List $58.99 SPECIAL $14.99 BUY IT NOW!
>
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Re: [AMD] Tamiya 1/100 Vertol 107 Pan Am/New York Airways

Hi Vince,
Actually...I'm working on the FEResin 1/144th version. Nice little kit. It
is actually the CH-46 Sea Knight kit....but it is easily adaptable to the
K/BV-107. I hope to get someone to create a set of NYA (and PAA) decals
with windows for the three kits that I have. I plan to place them at a model
Pan Am terminal with several PAA 707's, DC-8's and 727's and one or two
747's representing the late 1960's. Hence the interest in the PAA paint job. I
didn't realize that any had the PAA globe.

You are probably right about the AA terminal...I just remember seeing them
at the TWA terminal...and of course the PAA terminal.

Look forward to seeing that rare photo!

Thanks Vince!

CMul0256


In a message dated 7/17/2009 9:14:30 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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I'll get you that scan shortly guys - no problem. I'm not at my computer
right now though.
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[AMD] Hawk CV240/C131

The first issue of this kit was like the Connie.No decals no gear.it was white plastic and had the round exhaust stacks.It was just called Convair Liner as it was issued before the 340 was built.
The Connie is one I would like to see reissued.With some aftermarket engines,gear and decals,you could do many models of the 049/749 series.The Lincoln/Kader kit was a copy,but they ruined it when the changed from the one piece wing of the Hawk kit.
im no where near good enough to correct the uptilt of the wings on the Kader kit.
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[AMD] Model Expo deal

I got this in their latest e-mail:

http://www.modelexpo-online.com/product.asp?ITEMNO=MC1454CB

MINICRAFT PLASTIC AIRPLANE KIT COMBO
SCALE 1:144
Highly detailed plastic kits of historic airplanes!

MC1454CB – Contains Minicraft Lindberg (MC14548) + CIA Southern Air
Transport (MC14544)

List $58.99 SPECIAL $14.99 BUY IT NOW!

It is the TWA DC-3 & the Southern Air Transport DC-8, both for only
$14.99. Such a deal!

--
Dale G Elhardt
Cypress Ca
If you love something, let it go… unless you're in love with a helium
balloon. Those things don't come back, you know.
http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?userid=7702

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[AMD] Re: AMD build contest

Great suggestion Christos!

Charles

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> With David's suggestion on "concentrating on something positive instead",
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Re: [AMD] Airfix 747-200 kit 1/144

Hello Richard! Thanks for your reply. The kit looks well detailed, I would prefer though to get the BraZ CF6-50 engines. The box doesn't say if its an Airfix 747-100 or -200 series. Maybe you can correct me on this. I remember when 'US Airfix' came out their 727s and other models than it was 'Airfix'. I remember that from the 1970's. But on the box it has an Airfix website, I thought Airfix products were no longer around but to my surprise this 747 kit looks as if it was made somewhat recently since again there's a website for Airfix. I admit this is my first build of a jumbo jet in 1/144 scale in about 26 years so its a challenge for sure. I'll check on Russell's airline hobby site for those BraZ CF6 engines. Thanks again for the reply.

Charles

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> Charles,
>
> There's been a lot on AMD recently about 'the worse airline kits' and the Airfix 747 was often mentioned, so I would suggest you review the last couple of weeks messages.  General consensus appears to be that the Revell 747 Classic is best.  Neither is up to the standard of the Hasegawa 747 Classic kit and the Airfix offering requires a lot of work to get a decent representation of the real thing.  BraZ offer three of the engine types used on the 747 Classic, including the CF6-50; Hannants stock BraZ. 
>
> FYI, apart from some leased aircraft, all of BOAC/BA PW-powered 747s were -100s.  Their own 747-200s were RR-powered, although they did lease and aquire some PW- & GE-powered examples.  Several airlines including BA had their 747-100s modified post delivery to have 10 upper deck windows and certainly in the case of BA (and perhaps others) they also had a second upper deck door added.  This was to allow the upper deck to be used as a full passenger cabin rather then just a lounge.
>
> Richard
> PEK

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Re: [AMD] Hawk CV-240

Just my 2 cents? I never saw the Havk or anyone who made that kit without windows of cockpit windows. It never had clear parts. Chaplain

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Re: [AMD] Re: "Rough Kits"/battle royal

Trying to sidestep through the cow pies and trying to share some information and not offend others....


My local IPMS club's contest has a special award titled Silk Purse from a Sows Ear that is awarded to the best model built from the ***** kit. I won it a few years back for my Glencoe TWA Moonliner model. The award is a memorial to Ralph Patino who could build something beautiful out of absolutely anything. My Moonliner model is still one of my favorites.

At the Columbus AI Randy Auble entered a Masterkit 737 that had the thrust reversers deployed and quite likely the flaps dropped. I don't remember if it placed but do remember he got many points for starting with a challenging kit.

Ken

Campbell, CA
SJC

Maybe the promoters of Airliners International Conventions should have a worst kits category with a pose down between the worst kits at an AI convention, Just to change things around a bit and have some fun, with the two runners up appearing in a pose down with Mitsu Hasegawa coming in from Japan to judge in his truly fair and unbiased manner. That way we would truly know which is/was the worst kit and is it truly worse than "Brand X"!
Think of the possibilities here folks. A whole new modeling venue, with a rule book, rules, judging parameters and all the usual trappings that a convention of this magnitude can provide. The owner of the winner of the worst kit, would get recognition and a special award for the effort put forth to produce such a dog!

Written with tongue firmly planted in cheek!

Mark Krumrey
MSP

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[AMD] Re: Lufthansa restoring an FW 200 Condor

--- In airlinermodelling@yahoogroups.com, paul crawley <fjrcrawley@...> wrote:
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> Some of you may already know about this one, but it was news to me...
>  
> http://www.rasf.de/en/Projects/Focke-Wulf-Condor/index.php
>  
> Not clear if it was the military or civilian version found, but should make a really beautiful piece of history when finished.

Very interesting, thanks for the link. The landing gear and gondola parts make me think they are restoring a military example.

Mike


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Re: [AMD] Hawk CV-240

Hi Bill,
I have the Hawk kit in front of me. The kit box says it is a Convair C-131
and the instruction sheet says it is derived from the commercial Convair
240/340 airline series. Box lid shows a copyright of 1959. Decals are for
a MATS aircraft. As Geoff has noted, there are no transparencies.

Bob W.
VLE Models


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... It has no transparencies, which I'll have to make. Anyone
know if the original Hawk issue had these? ...

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RE: [AMD] Challenging kits



Sorry about the blank send............finger check.
 
Where the degree of difficulty could easily be factored in on a score sheet at a contest where the judge can see, touch, feel (even thought they don't usually) the model an online contest such as this is different.  All we'll have to look at is the build pictures and a picture of the final product.  Of course, our personal likes and dislikes and opinions about what is good, bad, or indifferent will come into play.  If you are a rivet counter, you'll be watching for more detail.  If you're not, you'll be looking for the overall appearance.  I think these things will serve the purpose you propose without a formal declaration from "the management" as to how the final model should be judged.  Let's keep it very simple, especially for this first go round..............do you like it or not and which one do you like best.  I'm willing to trust the integrity of the group to be fair.  Besides, this is about having fun and getting some of us underachievers, me included, building again.  One last point, I don't know what qualifies as a higher level of difficulty kit and I don't think I'm alone here. 
 
As far as sponsorship goes, a lot of the suppliers are members here and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Christos has already been contacted about prize donations.  Even if there were no prizes beyond bragging rights until the next contest it would still be worth doing.
 
Now it's up to Christos, since it was his idea, to come up with a theme and a target date for completion. 
 
Just my two cents worth.
 
Bob
STL
 
-----Original Message-----
From: airlinermodelling@yahoogroups.com [mailto:airlinermodelling@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Kenn Hamm
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 9:29 PM
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Subject: [AMD] Challenging kits

 


Thinking of conventions and a category... Tongue in cheek or not, there is something to consider!

Think about Diving, freestyle skiing, halfpipe, etc. at the olympics X-Games... Different tricks or dives have different levels of difficulty...

Maybe someone who does a pretty good job with a high difficulty kit gets a little edge over someone who builds a great model from a great kit. I know I see scratchbuilt models as the gold standard for that. Nothing more difficult than making it yourself...

Anyway, adding that 'challenge' weight factor to a certain type of contest / prize might add a new depth to modeling and certainly could breathe new life into the difficult kit market... Add a best effort category or something...

I would think Mach2 or AModel would make a great sponsors... >:)



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[AMD] Tamiya 1/100 Vertol 107 Pan Am/New York Airways

I'll get you that scan shortly guys - no problem. I'm not at my computer right now though.

I believe the BV-107's used to land near the AA Terminal at JFK until 1968 or 1969. When they were replaced by the four S-61L's they landed near the TWA Terminal.

An even rarer bird is the S-61N seen during the 1964-1965 NY Worlds Fair, painted in TWA/NY Airways colors. Some folks have said that it was just a mockup on the Fair Grounds (which there was), but there is film footage of it landing on the roof of the Port Authority Pavilion on the PBS program "Bill Moyers' A Walk through the 20th Century - Come to the Fairs". TWA used to offer service from the airport to the fair. It really did exist.

Anyone have a picture of that rare S-61N helicopter? Or know the identity?

P.S. - CMul0256 . . . which one are you working on, the Tamiya? The windows on that kit have to be corrected - they're too big and too close.

Vince, JFK

--- In airlinermodelling@yahoogroups.com, CMul0256@... wrote:
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> Hey Vince,
> Please scan that photo of the PA 107. I am doing one of these as well. I would love to get a look at the PA paintjob on one of these.
>
> I had the opportunity to fly on one (NYA) from the Pan Am terminal to the Pan Am building in June of 1966. The service was fairly recently started...and apparently ended in 1968 (?). It was resumed again in the 1970's and ran until 1977/78 when the S-63L rolled over on its side on the Pan Am rooftop heliport.
>
> As I recall, the Pan Am routes only ran (in the 1960's) to the PAA terminal at JFK?to/from the Pan Am building. Could be wrong about that. Most NYA choppers flew out of the TWA terminal at JFK.
>
> A fond memory.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> ... I can scan that picture for you if you wish.
>


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